It has been quite surreal, as someone who has been writing about the grooming gangs scandal for years, to see it burst so violently into the international consciousness over the past few days.
I am just a Norwegain woodworker, but I am not stupid and I read widely. I have known about these mostly pakistani rape gangs for ... a decade?
I can imagine all too well the soul-crushing effect of officialdom's 'negligence' on a father of these girls. What worse betrayal could you conjure up? The crime itself despicable beyond belief, and then the cowardly, mincing sweeping under the rug?
Enough to make one want to kill someone. Where I come from, we used to do that, to those kinds of criminals; Outlawed and fair game. How we have progressed since then!
Wow that tweet is somehow worse than I was steeling myself for it to be upon clicking through. I tried mostly to stay away from discussion of this because I know how easy it is to over-index on unspeakable horrors that will, sadly, always be going on somewhere, at some time, but which are much rarer than they tend to appear based on cultural fascination with them. I think it tends to leave people more scared than they should be, misapprehending the actual risk to them or people they care about, or the overall scale of the problem.
It seems this was not really such a case. I had no idea of the scale until this recent furore, and I feel a bit ashamed of having lobbed it into the "undoubtedly a fucking horrible situation, but probably just not something most people should be scaring themselves over, it's worth not fixating on this stuff" bucket. If anything it seems like public response was out of whack the other way.
A quick bit of messing about with the ONS population statistics suggests to me there are about 10k girls 11-16 in Rotherham. The gang there had 1500 victims. That isn't quite the 15% you'd immediately think because they operated over some period of years in which more than 10k girls will have passed through that age range, but then on the other hand they targeted white girls specifically, so the pool is a bit smaller than all girls, and the population was probably a bit lower back then. It'll be hard to nail down the exact number but it's on the order of a 1/10 risk to any given white teen girl in Rotherham during the relevant years, very roughly.
Even a risk of 1/100 would be totally out of whack with the risk from most of the sorts of grisly things that tend to snag headlines but which most people are probably best placed to just ignore because, horrible though they are, the risk to any one person is negligible. This genuinely looks to me to be in the 1/10 range.
There are active war zones that would have been better places to raise a white girl than Rotherham, and it was *far* from only Rotherham that was affected.
You forget the Tommy Robinson effect. Elon has become aware of why he is in prison, for daring to show a video so we learn the truth behind the story. Elon gave him his voice back, he has highlighted the various videos Tommy has made over the years. He & other American commentators have highlighted Tommy’s cries into the wilderness. You & others have tried to ignore Tommy but surely the march on July 27th should’ve shown you how much his voice has grown. Without Elon buying Twitter, Tommy’s voice & the voice of others would’ve been shut down. Look at Ireland & the way they are shutting people up.
Can some one explain to me why Bens article on AC on the issue has a picture of pro Palestine protest? disingenuous and sneaky implication by the editor ?
"The NCA inquiry, the biggest of its kind in the UK, has identified 110 suspects, of whom 80% are of Pakistani heritage, officers said."
Ok, that's useful data. Rotherham is 2/3rds British white afaik, possibly more if you add in Irish and European whites.
So men with at least one Pakistani born grandparent (say) are far more likely to be involved in this stuff. Are there any other activities where there is overwhelming disparities, cousin marriage, arranged marriage, females not in the workplace, parents needing translators, participation in exercise, diabetes. I suspect there are experts who might know, but they are shut down if they speak true things. Heck, even on diabetes, the boffins group all south asians together rather than use a scalpel to get more granular. Just a suspicion of course - that knowledge in this field brings censure.
I am just a Norwegain woodworker, but I am not stupid and I read widely. I have known about these mostly pakistani rape gangs for ... a decade?
I can imagine all too well the soul-crushing effect of officialdom's 'negligence' on a father of these girls. What worse betrayal could you conjure up? The crime itself despicable beyond belief, and then the cowardly, mincing sweeping under the rug?
Enough to make one want to kill someone. Where I come from, we used to do that, to those kinds of criminals; Outlawed and fair game. How we have progressed since then!
Wow that tweet is somehow worse than I was steeling myself for it to be upon clicking through. I tried mostly to stay away from discussion of this because I know how easy it is to over-index on unspeakable horrors that will, sadly, always be going on somewhere, at some time, but which are much rarer than they tend to appear based on cultural fascination with them. I think it tends to leave people more scared than they should be, misapprehending the actual risk to them or people they care about, or the overall scale of the problem.
It seems this was not really such a case. I had no idea of the scale until this recent furore, and I feel a bit ashamed of having lobbed it into the "undoubtedly a fucking horrible situation, but probably just not something most people should be scaring themselves over, it's worth not fixating on this stuff" bucket. If anything it seems like public response was out of whack the other way.
A quick bit of messing about with the ONS population statistics suggests to me there are about 10k girls 11-16 in Rotherham. The gang there had 1500 victims. That isn't quite the 15% you'd immediately think because they operated over some period of years in which more than 10k girls will have passed through that age range, but then on the other hand they targeted white girls specifically, so the pool is a bit smaller than all girls, and the population was probably a bit lower back then. It'll be hard to nail down the exact number but it's on the order of a 1/10 risk to any given white teen girl in Rotherham during the relevant years, very roughly.
Even a risk of 1/100 would be totally out of whack with the risk from most of the sorts of grisly things that tend to snag headlines but which most people are probably best placed to just ignore because, horrible though they are, the risk to any one person is negligible. This genuinely looks to me to be in the 1/10 range.
There are active war zones that would have been better places to raise a white girl than Rotherham, and it was *far* from only Rotherham that was affected.
That Roger Scruton novel, The Disappeared, was excellent. You should read it.
You forget the Tommy Robinson effect. Elon has become aware of why he is in prison, for daring to show a video so we learn the truth behind the story. Elon gave him his voice back, he has highlighted the various videos Tommy has made over the years. He & other American commentators have highlighted Tommy’s cries into the wilderness. You & others have tried to ignore Tommy but surely the march on July 27th should’ve shown you how much his voice has grown. Without Elon buying Twitter, Tommy’s voice & the voice of others would’ve been shut down. Look at Ireland & the way they are shutting people up.
Can some one explain to me why Bens article on AC on the issue has a picture of pro Palestine protest? disingenuous and sneaky implication by the editor ?
I've no idea, to be honest.
"The NCA inquiry, the biggest of its kind in the UK, has identified 110 suspects, of whom 80% are of Pakistani heritage, officers said."
Ok, that's useful data. Rotherham is 2/3rds British white afaik, possibly more if you add in Irish and European whites.
So men with at least one Pakistani born grandparent (say) are far more likely to be involved in this stuff. Are there any other activities where there is overwhelming disparities, cousin marriage, arranged marriage, females not in the workplace, parents needing translators, participation in exercise, diabetes. I suspect there are experts who might know, but they are shut down if they speak true things. Heck, even on diabetes, the boffins group all south asians together rather than use a scalpel to get more granular. Just a suspicion of course - that knowledge in this field brings censure.
Oh bother, I've just realised from visual analysis that there is one micro-demographic with an even higher likelihood to offend in this way.
Which group?
Middle aged white guys with lots of Pakistani friends. There's a small number in almost every montage of grooming gang mug shots.
Cue a shout of "I know a white guy with lots of Pakistani friends and he's sound as a pound, would trust to babysit etc"
Ooh. 🤦🏻♀️